Here are all of the videos from the Test Layout, now all on YouTube.
To see how it was made, check out this post and video here
Here are all of the videos from the Test Layout, now all on YouTube.
To see how it was made, check out this post and video here
With some good testing, and a lot of learning from the test layout and its problems, I’m now anxious to start on the real thing. That of course means I need more space. For this I have two options, one is to convert the loft space and build in there and the other is to use an old storage area. The loft is much bigger, but its going to cost a lot to convert it and that will take time. I want to make something while I have spare time, but I don’t want to have to re-do everything if I do get the loft sorted out in a year or so. Therefore, I’m going to try to make something partially modular in the currently available space. The first set of pictures shows the new area that I have to work with – its basically an existing bench along one side of the room, it was once used as some sort of office by the previous owner, and we have not really used it for much, except for a previous railway layout or too.
The intention is to build some extension boards to go on top of the existing bench and extend it out, there will be 2 large boards and 1 small board which will fill the gap in the middle. I’ll be using 12mm MDF for the boards with 34mmx34mm pine softwood beams to provide around the edge support, 2 cross-braces and also make the legs. The beams are cut into sections and secured to the MDF with screws from the top down. The beams are then secured together at the corners as well. The legs are positioned inside the support beams in the corners and secured to the beams with screws from the sides. The legs are not secured from the top of the MDF as I want to be able to remove them later without having to disturb the layout on top.
Below are some pictures but in addition I have decided to record a short video and decided to call it ‘Weekend Engineering’, you can now watch my updates to see how it progresses into a layout (hopefully).
And here is the first episode…
With the track position sorted out (for now) I wanted to add in some scenery, I took two plastic bags stuffed with more plastic bags to make a round blob as a base for a small hill. The idea was to create some sort of rock with a gap between, which had been left there when the railway had blasted its way past them, perhaps one line was done first, and was not practical to remove the whole lot onece the first line was built, that’s my excuse for the odd shape anyway. The bags are loosely held in place with masking tape, and a sort of surface was made with the tape down to the inclines and risers. I then used plaster cloth in small sections over all of this to create the landscape.
While I was making the hill, I looked at the second inside line again, there was a bit of problem here, the first inside line was too steep but it just about worked, trains went over it and didn’t derail, but it wasn’t great. The second line was even steeper, and this was just not going to work. a rethink was needed but I didn’t have an idea for it yet. In the mean time I wanted to start on the bridge, at least then I could maybe get some idea on what I could do with the track layout and what kind of height I could go to. I still didn’t know what I wanted, and settled on just trying to make some sort of support structure for the track and figure out the rest later. I started off using some long coffee sticks, I cut a groove into the foam and wedged the stick into it with the thin side up, this is stronger than using it flat and I wanted to do a bit of engineering here and make it load bearing. I added sticks from the opposite side and gave them a very long over lap. The over lap is then glued on the entire length and held with two crocodile clips until dry. This done on each of the three spans. I then added sticks going over the top, flat to create a surface for the track. Every so often I’d bring a train down the slope, partly to test the height and the slope on the track.
While the bridge glue was setting, I gave the hill a rough coat with Earth Undercoat from Woodland Scenics, this made quite a dramatic effect, as it actually started to look like something other than snowy white wonder land. Track bed was also pinned and glued up to the bridge area. I then started on the second hill on the other side, this time I used parcel packing paper from some of the recent train deliveries and again held it down with masking tape, this time the the effect was much more dramatic, it looked a lot sharper, and I think more like a rocky or mountain area when compared to the other hill. Plaster cloth was put over the top just like the other side. The glue on the bridge finally dried and I was able to put the top strips on and trim them down with the Proxxon mini drill. In the end the bridge had 5 support spans, 4 of which are double sticks joined in the middle.
I then added some grey pain to the first hill to try to blend the colours and bring it down a little bit, it didn’t work quite how I wanted on the upper hill but the rocky lower area worked well. Some ballast was added to the corner, this was the first ballasting on this layout and I think it came out quite well. I then decided to try the grey paint on the second hill, this worked much better and with the white plaster showing through in parts actually made it look quite nice. Now that I had a bridge, it was time to look at that little track problem, it was made from using incline starters, so I flipped one over and put it on in reverse, going up instead of down and cancelling out some of the gradient. I also tried to space out the decline under the bridge to help reduce the gradient further. Now I had the height limit, I could raise the track right up and just leave enough to get the engine under it.
At this point there are still some problems or things to note for future use. The first is the plaster cloth needs to be smoothed out more, or more layers added, the pain on its own is not enough to fill in the holes. It could also be fixed with some poly-filler or the smooth-it version from Woodland Scenics. The second problem is the first hill incline, the track is on a curve, the incline is too steep, its also uneven and the change in gradient causes derailments. To reduce the changes in gradients, particularly at the joins in the track, I decide to try using flexi-track, this certainly helped with the joints and making it smoother. I later found out that on the corner, the inside rail is lower than the outer by about 5mm, this is greater than the wheel flanges, meaning the wheels simple float in the air or slip off the rails. Luckily most of the time the wheels just seem to jump the gap and land in the right place, but with the track so close to the edge of the board, and this not working all of the time, its got to be fixed. I have partly relaid that section and it still had issues, I then decided to rip up that section from the bridge to the point down to the foam risers and re-surface it. The hill was left in place, just the track bed was lifted. I found out from some forums that the problem was most likely caused by how I had laid the track bed in the first place, when I put the track bed down it was glued and pinned, but when I put the track on, I weighted it down with bottles and cans. This is a very bad idea, as this squashes the foam of the track bed and causes it to deform and the weight would push harder on the inside rail (because its shorter on the inside of the curve) and thats why it dropped by 5mm. Now I know this, I will use pins next time, on track I have laid down since, I’ve not had that issue.
Just over the bridge on the other side I had a new problem, flexi-track is straight track that can be made to bend, the problem is that it requires some force to keep the track in shape, the tighter the bend the more force is needed. On this tiny board the track is equal to Hornby R605 curves – that is the tightest set track curve and is the one most trains don’t like to use. That means a lot of force is needed to keep the flexi track in such a position – its not really meant for such curves either, and I’m having to use glue onto foam onto polystyrene foam. Notice also that when I built this layout I had glued the track bed onto the risers directly, the correct way is to put plaster cloth between to harden the surface first. I was also trying to use insulted rail joiners because I wanted to test out block signalling, the Peco insulated joiners are not very strong, and all of this combined to mean the track would not stay in place. As can be seen by the picture, the rails were not staying aligned at all. On top of that, just down the track away from the bridge there was another dip on the outer rail. All of this meant certain derailment for any coaches. I tired several things to fix this, first I switched to Hornby insulated rail joiners, these are a lot stronger, and look a lot nicer. These however still were not enough, they held the rails to each spot on, but that just meant it pulled the other track out as well. I then tried relaying the second hill incline, this helped but I still had the dip and it still moved and still caused derailments.
As I needed to relay the second incline, I decided to try a different layout for the point work, moved the point further down and switched it out for a curved point. This gave me much more room to connect the inside track no 2 and removed the stress of the gradient from the point. It also reduced the curve at the hill edge and allowed me to install a point on the curve to go off onto another board in the future. The flexi track was cut to length and some support was made using spare bits of foam riser and track bed just glued together, I also cut out some spaces for point motors and then added some ballast.
I then took my new Hornby HST in Intercity Swallow livery with dual Valenta sound decoders (from Olivia’s Trains) for a test run around the loop, it passed the track without any major problems. It was quite happy at speed step 12/28, and I have sent a pair of Bachmann class 20’s and a Lima Class 156 super sprinter round at speed step 18/28 – that is far faster than any train should run around such a precarious layout and not prototypical at all.
It still has a problem with derailments, and I have relaid both of the inclines on the hills yet again, this time using set track, 2 R605s in the centre with an R607 on the outside as an easement. I removed the small point on the first inside track and levelled off the incline to be more gradual, I might make this line the same as the number 2 track using a curved point to smooth the track out further. So far it is just pinned down, but appears to be much better than the previous incline.
The point of this test layout was to see how these newer methods worked and to test out some skills and designs before making a bigger layout. Its taught me a lot, and improved my skills from when I made my last layout many years earlier. I also had a great deal of fun, some frustration and got to see some of my new locos running. I will be uploading some videos of the trains doing circuits over this layout to the YouTube channel, which I have called ‘Weekend Engineering’ its a take on the old rail disruption common at the weekends and also on the idea that this is mainly done on my weekends as well. You can check out all of the videos on the channel here.
So what’s next? Well a bigger layout of course… more details very soon!
Here is the video I first linked in the previous post which covers the construction of the test layout so far.
Now that I have a board, its time to actually put something on it. To start with, I added a simple circle of Hornby R605 curves, these are the tightest radius curves and are generally not a good idea to use for anything, but that’s all that will fit on this board. That is compromise 1. I then added a Peco 3-way point that I have had for a long time and never found a place for it, one of the branches goes off to a small radius point which is put into the only straight on the main circle. As the first 2 pictures show, this really didn’t work out too well, although there was a sort of head shunt at the start of the 3-way point, it really was not enough to be of much use, for now it will do and if this board were to be connected to another board or main layout later, then that could be an entire new line, so for now it can stay.
Now came the part to test out the SubTerain system, I used 2 4% incline/decline sets and a set of 2 inch risers. The track is laid out first, and then a pencil is used to draw around the track to mark its position. I then add the foam inclines and risers over the pencil lines, these are held onto the base board with foam nails initially while everything is positioned and worked out. I then drew around the foam parts to mark the position, and used foam tack glue to hold them onto the board permanently – use of foam nails to hold them down until the glue is dry. Once this is done, I then used foam road bed on top. This is basically the equivalent to using cork on the more traditional layout methods of building, its designed to absorb the vibration from the trains to reduce the noise and to provide a nice shape for gluing ballast to later. It comes on a long roll, and there is a perforation down the centre, the idea here is that going around corners is easier by splitting the road bed in half so it bends easier. The problem I had here was that the bed doesn’t actually tear that evenly, it doesn’t really matter as it going to b covered in ballast anyway.
As you can see from the photos, I had now decided to change the track plan a little, I was now trying to do 2 points, one at either side and have these run out under the bridge in the middle, this will be a bit of a challenge due to the tight space. The height of the inclines was not enough in the distance I had, so I added a 4% incline starter onto the front incline to increase it. Let me state here from hindsight in case anyone is trying to follow this later – DO NOT DO THIS! – the reason being that this incline is now so steep, that it causes problems for coaching stock and some loco have trouble getting up the slope. This later became compromise no. 2. The back of the layout I kept to the 4% provided by the correct use of the incline set.
At this stage there is still a gap where the bridge should be, I am looking at some various types of bridge and tunnel portals, and even ordered some portals to see how they look and fit. If I use a bridge, then it will support the track, but if I go for the tunnel option with portals, I will need to make something to provide the support. I am also looking at building some sort of rock or hill type of thing between the tracks at this area, to give it some sort of reason to be raised up other than just to cross over it self. For this I’m looking at using paper scrunched up and plaster cloth covering it. I also have a load of rubbish plastic bags from unpacking lots of patch cables at work, these are sort of round shaped when stuffed together and may be useful here.
Here is a video I made of the test layout construction, as I made this I decided to go a bit further than the post here as it was a little short without it. I’ll make another blog update with the extra parts shown in the video a bit later.
Over the years I’ve been in to and out of railway models, originally it started back when I was a kid. I had built a reasonable sized layout and done some scenic elements, it had a large bridge at the back of the layout where the line crossed over itself, then a small bridge where it crossed back again, then turned and came back round to the front which was a sort of mix between a station and a maintenance yard. There was a nice grassy hill on the left side with the track going into a tunnel – hand made with bits of card and some sheet grass over the top. The sheet grass was also used for the centre area as well. The track was ballasted through the scenery and the front area used sheet ballast paper. There was a road and a level crossing, and the grass in this area was done using those little bags of grass scatter. The inclines for the raised track used basic Hornby raised track supports, that’s the basic ones with no decoration and not the nicer inclined piers which I found out about later. It was not as good as what you will see people making today, but considering how long ago it was and my own age at the time, it was certainly respectable. For various reasons it needed to be removed many years ago, and sadly no picture was taken of its final state, which means I’m unable to show anything here. While at uni I got back into it a little, and had some track running around on the floor of my flat, I did acquire some more locos during this time but never built a layout there.
Recently I got interested in some YouTube channels of people building their layouts and it got me interested in the hobby again. Therefore I decided to try building a new layout, the problem is the space, ideally I want a nice large area to build a proper sized layout, but for now I’m going to settle on a small piece of flat pine I found at a local B&Q. Due to the size, its going to be a very tight radius ’roundy-roundy’ – in other words its a circle with about 1 straight in it. I am trying to make it a little more interesting, and this will probably be the pain, as I’m trying to make it have an incline and a bridge. Its a circle with 2 points sending 2 lines inside and out under the bridge. The challenge is that the track needs to be high enough for the trains to pass under, but low enough at the points for the line to split off to go under it. This means the points will be at half the height, so the line comes down from the bridge to the point, and the line then runs down from the point under the bridge. The main line continues round to the next point and then back up to the bridge again. I then want to add in some scenery to test out the new materials from Woodland Scienics. The purpose of this layout is just to test out the new materials – Woodland Scienics make some interesting products in their Subterain range which makes inclines and other layout areas really easy, or so it appears. This layout will be built to try out some of those things before I attempt a proper layout.
Check out their video below, its a nice intro into the products
I have decided to try to track (pun) my efforts in layout building using a YouTube channel you can find here. At the moment my documenting efforts are a little behind real time, I have already started the small test layout and I will be adding more posts and some videos over the next few days to catch-up. The YouTube channel currently just has some old random clips of real trains in the wild just to start things off. Later I will add some videos of the test layout.